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 Posted: Mon Sep 4th, 2006 04:39 pm
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Okay, here's a little food for thought.....do Calgary Social agencies make it easy for regular sober folks to stay on the streets?  What I mean by this is, is that you can get numerous free meals within about 10 blocks, free donated clothes if you need them, free toiletries, help with a damage deposit and first month's rent, job training, a place to spend the night & shower, temporary day labour jobs.....etc.   Do generous Calgarians make it easy for people to take advantage of the system?  I realize that people are screened, but it's fairly easy to appear "Down On Your Luck" if need be.   Everyone has a sob story.  Your thoughts........?

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Hi Bad Girl, I think I may have told you this story personally some time ago. 

I recall the day I was covering a story at the Calgary Interfaith Food Bank. As I was leaving, I spotted a guy loading up a Hummer H2 with all sorts of goods. Asking the then Director of the food bank "was that one of your volunteers"? I was told “no, he is a client and yes that’s his Hummer.”  Apparently, the IFB have a number of clients who drive expensive cars and or live in upmarket homes. However, because they don’t have clear and free title to their possessions, when it comes to means testing they show as having very little personal net worth, hence they qualify for support. 

The question I pose is this. Should people be required to take steps to reduce their personal debt before being considered for charitable support?  Would it be unfair to turn away a guy who previously locked himself into a lease on a Hummer and now finds his financial situation has changed?  

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 Posted: Mon Sep 11th, 2006 02:01 am
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I do remember that story.  I absolutely think that people should take steps to reduce their problem debt and that the Food bank and other "Options" should be a last resort.  There really are people out there who need the help, but when you've run yourself into a corner because you've blown your budget on a vehicle that really, shouldn't be on the streets anyway, you're taking advantage.  Who needs a vehicle that big to drive around the city and go destroy the environment off roading in the wilderness?  No One, especially one who's using the food bank.  If you want to drive a huge vehicle, learn to drive a city bus....they're hiring right now! 

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 Posted: Wed Jun 13th, 2007 08:47 pm
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Man, if someone could afford one of those disgusting swine-mobiles in the first place....That kind of personal hypocrisy is too much even for Calgary!!! OMFG!!! But I'd be happy to help buddy reduce his debt-load...read: chainsaw, plus plasma cutter. I haven't words foul enough to encompass how this disgusts me....

Want to save $$$? Start with a daily driver vehicle that gets better than 10 miles per Imperial gallon fuel consumption. A mid-to-late 90s VW Jetta TDI gets ~40 miles per US gallon combined according to what I've heard. The newer versions will run with--and likeley run away from--the 3.5 tonne pig-tank performance-wise too.

"Why spend $3K extra on some sissy (diesel) when I can spend that money on GAAAAAAAAS??! Why? Well, because I'm an asshole! I'm an asshole, because I can afford to be...!" (Jello Biafra). This is Calgary.

I'm pretty sure that, this hummer (a name not worthy of capitalisation in my books) a--wipe would, in better times, be one of those who is convinced that the people who are homeless are there because "they don't want to work," "they choose to be there," "they just stand around waiting for handouts," etc, etc, etc, ad aeturnum/infinitum/nauseum.

This is **BLEEP**ing Calgary!

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 Posted: Wed Jun 13th, 2007 09:03 pm
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BadGRRRL wrote: I do remember that story.   I absolutely think that people should take steps to reduce their problem debt and that the Food bank and other "Options" should be a last resort.  There really are people out there who need the help, but when you've run yourself into a corner because you've blown your budget on a vehicle that really, shouldn't be on the streets anyway, you're taking advantage.  Who needs a vehicle that big to drive around the city and go destroy the environment off roading in the wilderness?  No One, especially one who's using the food bank.  If you want to drive a huge vehicle, learn to drive a city bus....they're hiring right now! 

Yes indeedy! Bang-on as usual. What's really odious is that the majority of these SUV parasites never take their big ole' 4-wheelers off-road to begin with, except when they repeatedly run over the curbs trying to parallel-park--bringing at least two lanes to a dead stop in the process--downtown.

Fuel consumption/environmental costs: All that 4-wheel-drive gear (Transfer case, extra axle/diff' assembly and propshaft(s), and the monster-truck wheel/tire combo) adds, typically, ~1000 lbs to the running weight of the vehicle. It also has naturally beneficial effects on the swine-tank's ability to corner and stop--read: accident avoidance--and how easily you can see around the wretched **BLEEP**ing thing in traffic. 

I drive some of the biggest vehicles on the road--as in 15+ metres long, 39,500-46,500 kg max. legal weight--does that give me unwritten permission to be an even bigger asshole/hypocrite/PARASITE than Mr. hummer Food Bank (the latter name is worthy of capitalisation in my books) client, cuz "might makes right?" If I drove the heavy truck the way these a--hats drive their penis-issue-overcompensator-mobiles, then I:

A) would not have lasted more than ~2 months as a trucker.

B) would be in prison for multiple counts of vehicular manslaughter/homicide almost immediately thereafter.

This is Calgary...

 

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 Posted: Fri Jun 15th, 2007 09:30 am
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NO!

Take his picture and take it with him beside his Hummer/Caddy/Bimmer or whatever. then get the Herald to post the pic with the following caption:

This poor fellow cannot feed himself, and rather than sell his 40 thousand dollar car and buy a 15 thousand dollar one.... he gets food from us. Here is his name and address in the unlikely even you wish to send him a care package

Owning a Hummer or monster SUV doesn't make any sense to me. However, if one can afford it, and has a craving for such a thing... leave him alone to enjoy his toy.

Besides, out of 1000 vehicles on the road, how many are in this category? My guess is less than 50. Suggest you find a new crusade.

 

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 Posted: Fri Jun 15th, 2007 09:38 am
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IMO Social agencies don't function all that well, being that they are bogged down in procedures and etc. Half of them are just there for a paycheck, but there are somewho do care.

I also think it takes a lot of energy to 'cheat' the system. Not worth the hassle. Working is much more fun, and it pays better

 

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 Posted: Fri Jun 15th, 2007 09:50 am
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So if I own a Hummer and am down on my luck, here's what I do. SELL IT. Being that I don't believe in borrowing much to buy a vehicle, the thing is clear title. SO:

I get 38 grand for it.. and see a real good 2004 V-6 Malibu for 13 Grand and I get it for 12.5. So now I have 25.5 thou... take $500, and buy some food and donate it to the food bank

Stash $1500 in my rainy day fund, and invest the remaining $23 grand in 3-4 blue chip stocks... then sit back and watch them grow 20% a year (Teck Cominco has done better than that and so has Royal Bank of Canada)

Oh yes, buy 3 things: Lawn Mower, Weed eater, and a Gardener's pitchfork... and I go make $2500 a month between now and mid Oct. cutting lawns and weeding gardens (That is just 20 lawn customers and 15 more for weeding once a month)

Welfare sucks!!!

 

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 Posted: Mon Jun 18th, 2007 10:23 pm
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Actually, it looks to me like at least half, and I've been driving for a (non-)living in this town for 10 years.

It's not a crusade--it's just complete and utter disgust and contempt for those **BLEEP**-mobiles and what they, at their core really represent. If they were at least fast, and had some elan/taste/panache, I could put some of that aside, but they--and the lizard-people they are designed to appeal to--just offend me on so many levels it's not even funny.

They are expressly designed to appeal to the inner reptile. Proof (to name just two):

A) Our Food-Bank boy here, who, it would seem, sees absolutely nothing wrong/hypocritical about what he's doing, and that he apparently feels entitled to help, in place of people who really need the help.

B) The way these jerk-offs drive their swine-tanks. "I'm an asshole! HAHAHA! I can afford to be!" "Get out of MY way, I'M the most important person on the road!" "The laws of the road--or common sense or physics--don't apply to ME! I'M the most important!!!!!" Again, this conviction comes from 10 years of commercial driving in this city, and most of North America in general.

For what most Hummers cost--it's alot more than $40K, from what I've seen--you could damn near buy a fleet of ~5-7 Year-old VW Jetta TDI's--or a more recent used Japanese hybrid or three if that floats your boat--have the same or better performance, logarithmically better fuel consumption, probably alot cheaper insurance, and, given the oil-price gouging nowadays, probably much better proportional resale value (the diesels especially).

Been cruisin' used car lots lately? Get a load of how many full-sized SUVs and pickups they've got sitting on 'em. Wanna take the piss out of those obnoxious salesmen? Ask 'em how long those vehicles have sat on the lot. (They get strangely quiet everytime you do so. Hee-hee-hee...!)

Again, it's not a "crusade." That would imply that I could give a rat's **BLEEP** for the pile of maggot-infested garbage and **BLEEP** that is the human race anymore, which, believe me, has not been the case for many, many years. It's contempt, hatred, and disgust based on observation and/or direct experience.

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 Posted: Sun Jul 1st, 2007 10:54 am
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Naww. Nope. You do sound like someone with a case of 'I hate everything' syndrome. When's the last time you laughed your guts out?

I really don't give a hang about who drives a Hummer, an Army tank, just as long as you don't tailgate me on the freeway.

I am curious what you are doing looking at used SUV's on car lots, if you find them so offensive. Go play golf or something.



 

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 Posted: Mon Jul 2nd, 2007 11:07 pm
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I laugh my guts out pretty much all day, every day! I have only to look at the stupid humans in this trite, insipid, soulless, paternalistic fifedom of a city...or just turn on my TV (idiot-box)--busts me up every time! But then, I note that very few others can even perceive, let alone appreciate irony around here.

Sense of humour: absolutely essential! Though I admit mine is a bit more caustic, bent, and waaaaaaaayy blacker than most, I do have one...only reason I'm not in prison, and about 99% of my fellow human-insects aren't dead.

I'm cruising used car lots of late because I'm looking into purchasing either a mid '90s-present VW Jetta* Turbodiesel, or maybe an older Mercedes so spec'ed. I'd consider some of the fullsize diesel pickups also, but only as a distant second choice--I have no nominal need for such, but I could put it to work if I had one...amazing how rare the aforementioned cars are around here...I guess people who have them know well enough to appreciate their advantages, and hang on to 'em...

One thing that makes me laugh my guts out, as regards the above: Good-ole-oil-boys (read: stupid assclowns) stridently proclaiming the advantages of their weak, inefficient petrol-slugs, when us "clacker" fans get twice as good fuel economy, twice the torque at half the RPM, designed-in 500,000+  km TBO (Time Between Overhauls) and much better resale value...a Cummins Dodge with 250,000 km on it, if it's been properly maintained, is just suitably broken in. MASSIVE hot-rodding potential, and you know it'll live, also. A petrol-powered "me-too" Chevy/GMC (Geriatric Monopolists' Club) is literally falling apart at 200K (I speak from experience here). That always makes me laugh hard!

*I'd consider a Golf also--same thing mechanically, for the most part--but I'm kinda sick of hatchbacks. They lack panache, and I want a seperate trunk in which to mount a SVO--Straight Vegetable Oil--tank, without having it in the cabin with me, too.

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 Posted: Fri Jul 6th, 2007 06:01 am
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LOL I have shares in Cummins. They are almost a double since March, too. GM is crap

Toyota now out-sell them. WHY? Umm, because.... they... make.... better cars

 

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 Posted: Sat Jul 7th, 2007 03:25 pm
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Yes, they do make far better cars...well, so does Honda, Subaru, and, er, well, just about everyone else. I've owned many Toyotas and have one now ('84 Supra P-spec' if it matters), but few if any of their diesel-powered products have ever been sold on this continent, and I want one. 

GM=Garbage Mobile. Americans have been led to say "General Motors." The former, however, is how you say it in English instead of A-murr-ikan. The only reason the American OEMs (Original Equipment Manufacturers) survive at all is because they own enough of America's government to ensure they always get bailed out everytime they haemorrage more market share and money building crap that doesn't last and no-one wants anymore.

Look at the US manufaturers' overseas operations, esp. Ford of Continental Europe (Ford is to the EU what GM is here; wssentially, "the marque of the masses"). Way better cars, way better build quality, way more models in way more diversity of specification to choose from. That's cuz those countries' governments--glaring exception: UK--know better than to give these assclowns the stars on a string at their taxpayers' expense, and good ole' American jingoism-as-marketing-campaign (remember "What's good for GM is good for America."?) wouldn't go too far over there--even in Tony Blair's Britain. GM (IE Opel, based in Germany/Vauxhaull Motors in UK) and DCX' European holdings, same deal. Unlike here, they're just steaming right along, have been for years.

I've basically given up on American excuses-for-vehicles...and this is coming from a die-hard Mopar guy...but at least old Chryslers have some elan, and incredible durability, despite their lack of refinement...

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 Posted: Thu Jul 12th, 2007 07:29 am
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Suburu does pretty good too. I like the Legacy with the Turbo. Tuff car, great quality.

45 mpg and 0 to 100 in about 5.8 sec. (As if 8.0 isn't enough)

 

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Oh hellyeah, Legacy GT Turbo, B-spec' with the six-speed manual. That has got to be the "sleeper" of the century. The Infinity G35 4-door saloon likewise, with the stick (I can't freaking stand automatics).

I consider "adequate" performance to be:

0-100 kph (62 mph): under 9.0 seconds, with a top end in the range of 185-200 kph, and able to cruise comfortably at ~120-140 kph.

Legitimately "fast"-fast:

0-100 kph in under 7.5 seconds, top speed over 220 kph (137 mph) and cruise at 160 kph.

Yeah, I like driving fast, for huge distances, in the middle of nowhere, in the deadest of the dead of night, OK. If I may say so myself, unlike 99.9% of people in North America, I bloody well know how to drive, too.

Don't know about love, but In The Dead of Night...I'll bite!!

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 Posted: Sat Jul 14th, 2007 06:49 pm
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I also know how to drive. Never had a fault accident in my life (and am over 60) and no tickets in 20 years. Over 1 million miles driven

0 to 100k in 8-9 sec is good enough 4 me. Anything under 8 is bonus. Cruise at 130 on the Coquihalla... 125 Calg to Edm = good enough

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 Posted: Wed Dec 12th, 2007 11:11 am
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Back on topic again.....

It's that time of year again!  The time when all the charities start their PR campaigns and put out their hands asking for money & donations.  With the new initiative to end homelessness in the next 10 years, is it still going to be easy to get a handout?  If this boom continues, are Calgarians going to be just as generous with their time, money and stuff or are they going to just get sick of social agencies begging and begging but never getting anywhere?

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 Posted: Wed Dec 12th, 2007 07:14 pm
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I did see a bit on the news last night, salvation army, they are 10k down from last year at this time, in terms of donations.

Solving the homeless situation is pretty much impossible.  Let's say, by some miracle, overnight each homeless person was given their own accomodation.  More people who are homeless would just move to Calgary.

That said, I certainly feel that people who need help should get help and I also think that many people who have mental disabilities are on the street and I think that is appalling.  I also think there are the chronic homeless and that they too need help, some people have a hard time of it.

However!  There are people who move to Calgary, particularly from other places in Canada, to find work, who have no money and no accomodation and they end up at a homeless shelter.  Those are the people who i'm not so interested in helping with our tax dollars.

 

 

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Well said Trail!

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Oh god.....I think hell has frozen over........I agree with you Trailmix........*starts to hyperventilate*   

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 Posted: Fri Dec 14th, 2007 12:20 pm
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*passes paper bag to badgrrrl*

 

 

 

 

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 Posted: Sat Dec 15th, 2007 12:23 am
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:) LOL, alright, don't anyone pass out here. Actually, you both have very valid points, and I think the homeless issue is a worldwide thing, and there is not one simple answer.

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Wow!  Not a very compassionate attitude.  People make mistakes and get in trouble sometimes.

Based on what you have said I suppose that if a drunk driver hits a light post they shouldn't bother to pick him up and take him to the hospital?

How about a mountain climber who gets lost, suppose they shouldn't go looking for him either.

It benefits a society (as well as being helpful to the person) to help with addiction.

 

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I can’t believe what you’re saying. It might not be a light post that some drunk driver hits next time, it could be a child. 

OK if someone gets lost in the mountains that’s an accident. It is not the same as someone who decides to take drugs or drive drunk. No one forces people to take drugs. It’s unacceptable to say that druggies have “made poor choices”. To start with they have committed a federal crime. That’s not a “bad choice” it’s breaking the law.

As for the Salvation Army spending its resources on rehabilitating drug users, I totally agree with “coldfeet” this is a travesty. Personally I feel drug users should be sentenced to life in prison with no chance of parole. Better yet they should bring back the death sentence for anyone found using or supplying. As for drunk drivers, first offence should be lifetime driving ban, second offence life in prison.

I will NEVER give the Salvation Army one cent as long as they associate themselves with drug users!

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Cutter wrote: I can’t believe what you’re saying. It might not be a light post that some drunk driver hits next time, it could be a child. 



First off, I want to clarify - I am NOT putting out a word of support for drunk drivers, that would be stupid and stupid I am not.  You make it sound like i'm encouraging people to drink and drive - I mean really.

The POINT I was making is that people do things that we may not agree with - that doesn't mean we leave them by the side of the road.

(I must admit I am much more comfortable when we are disagreeing :) )

You, or anyone for that matter, has a choice not to support the Salvation Army, or any other charity, I see no problem with that.

 

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And just how much do you think it would cost to keep them in jail for life? Why should society pay to keep lowlifes like this in prison? Better to just remove them from the gene-pool. 

But as you say, it is our court system that is the real problem. If you ask me the weak sentencing policies of our criminal judges, ensure that or judges are truly the lowest form of scum in Canada.

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