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 Posted: Sat Sep 23rd, 2006 06:03 am
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Hi Jacky

You can get upto date crime stats for any part of the city at: http://talkcalgary.com/crimestats.htm

I live in the NE. We have not had a problem with crime, although as far as drugs go the cops don't evan try anymore.  Still it's better than living in the core!

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You live in the NE and have NOT had a problem with crime? Which part do you live in???

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East of Deerfoot Trail has areas just like West of Deerfoot, some good, some not so good and some not great.  There are very few areas in Calgary which are undesirable in general.

Some good areas for instance are Erinwoods - a small, friendly bedroom community that has public transport, shops and an elementary school.

Applewood is also good.

I'm not sure where anyone would get the idea that East of Deerfoot is unsafe?  That's cutting out a quarter of the city!

 

 

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Why don't you try Forest Lawn - that's going to be the next area to boom in calgary, what with all the attention on it right now.   Oh and there's lots of hookers strategically located for your convienience too.  Seriously though, you couldn't pay me to live in the NE....anywhere.  Just watch the news for a week and you'll see. 

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Forest Lawn isn't in the N.E., it's in the S.E., while it is East of Deerfoot Trail.  People choose to live Downtown, with crime and hookers etc etc..  This person asked about East of Deerfoot, lots of nice areas to live in.

I've never lived in the N.E., however it does seem to have more than it's fair share of media attention, strangely, it is always portrayed more dramatically by the media than crime in the S.W. or N.W..

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Ugh, it's close enough to the NE to be considered part of it.  I've lived off the downtown core for years now and haven't had a problem with crime and hookers like I see in the NE.  That's not saying it's not there, but it's  a different kind of crime.  DT there's alot of problems with drugs, whereas in the NE there's alot of violent crime.  I'd rather live with drug crime. 

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"It's close enough to the NE to be considered part of it"  - I totally disagree - you have to judge each neighbourhood on it's own merits.

I'm not understanding your logic at all - my point was, don't discount a whole part of the city based on a few peoples perceptions of what is shown in the media.  Not everyone can afford a house in pricier areas, especially people with families.  Writing off a whole area of Calgary isn't helpful.

Anyway, as I was saying, there are many nice areas in the northern region of the S.E. area, I can't speak about the N.E., because I don't live there.

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You know, this topic is getting kind of silly.

This is Calgary, not New York?  Seems to me that if we start to avoid certain areas, we are giving over our city to people who don't deserve the space.

I personally wouldn't be 'scared' to live in any part of Calgary, including Forest Lawn and yes, indeed, even the oooooo scary N.E..

 

 

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trailmix wrote: Seems to me that if we start to avoid certain areas, we are giving over our city to people who don't deserve the space.

Hmmm. Have we not already given up the larger part of the North East to the East Indians? And before any of you left wing loonies have a code blue, no I am not a raciest just a realest.

Anyway just to prove I am not picking on our turban wearing friends. Here's some interesting facts that were on The Discovery Channel this week. Do you know at present China consumes 50 percent of the world's concrete, 60 percent of world steal and 48 percent of the world's energy. In fact, within the next 30 years China will require the equivalent resources of a planet earth of their own.

PS. Calgaryman - Thanks for the feedback. Love to hear you views on this one! ;)

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Realist not Racist?  You may be a realist, but your comment (and no doubt your outlook) is racist.  What difference does it make if the people living in the N.E. are East Indian, or Chinese or from Britain?

And how does that tie in to China's consumption of resources?

Are you implying (and it sounds from your post that you are) that only North American's have a right to consume resources as fast as corporations can pump them out?

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You know it never ceases to amaze me just how quick some people are to put politically correctness above any form of common sense. A point well proved by the comments posted by Trailmix.

How is it a racist remark to say that the majority of people living in the north east are east indian?

In fact if you want to start throwing the "R" word around have you not considered why most east indians want to live together in one location?

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I almost forgot. As to Trailmix's comments about only Canadians having the sole right to consume resources as fast as corporations can pump them out? No I don't agree with that. The only people who have rights to Canada's resorces are the First Nations. You remember those guys don't you? Those are the poor **BLEEP**s we stole the country off in the first place!


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Did you know, and I'm sure you didn't, that East Indian people only make up around 3 percent of Calgary's population?  So, please explain to me how they have taken over a quarter of the City?

In relation to the 'R' word, your reply was in response to comments on the high crime rates in the N.E. of the City and the fact that we shouldn't let undesirable people take over an area of the City.  You implied, by your response, that these people are/were East Indian.

Have I ever pondered why most East Indians choose a certain part of the city to live in?  Well it isn't really hard to figure out, they share a cultural background and they are more comfortable with people of their own culture - that's not really hard to figure out?  Go to any foreign country where American's and Canadian's are living and you will find they are all living in pretty close proximity to each other.

As far as stealing the land from Native People's - I'm not even going to go there, that is a whole other conversation.  I'm not talking history here.

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Perhaps I have been a little too generic. As you say the NE is a big place which is occupied by people from all over the world. However, you have to agree that in certain areas the population is heavilly of east indian origin.

As for people from diffrent cultures wanting to stick together I can see some logic in your argument however most other cultures try to blend in with that of our own. For example Asians, Europians, African Americans, South Africans etc...etc...  These people can be found throughout the city. Can the same be said for the East Indians?

I am not a racist and like most Canadians hold out the hand of frendship to all people regardless of their origins. But I do think that if people want to live in our country they should make some effort to fit in to our society.

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Well Calgaryman, that was a tangent and since you don't really state a point, I can only surmise that you surmise that the N.E. has a higher crime rate because most of the residents of that area are immigrants.

Or, could it be that the N.E. is generally comprised of a group of lower socio-economic people and in general when people have less money there is a higher crime rate?  That some of those people committing crimes are immigrants may be true, I don't know the break down in crime by race, do you?

"I can get off work, walk to the train station and when I miss my train, I know just by looking at the platform which train I just missed. It’s that bad people. If you don’t admit it then you need some serious help"

When I read your comment above, my first thought was...so?  No one is saying there is not a large immigrant population in the N.E..

My point is, you and Cutter both seem to think that immigrants have a responsibility to completely meld in with our city and culture, well you know, they really don't.  Yes, immigrants need to follow our laws and it would be nice if they embrace a bit of our culture too, but they don't need to like their neighbour or attend the local cards night.

This is a free country.  The fact that you think people should "adopt the culture of the country you move to", is just too bad, we are a free country a democracy and there is no stipulation on the Canadian immigration form that says you have to adopt Canadian culture.

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Adopting Canadian culture is essential if you're going to move here.  If you want to live like you did in the "Old Country", stay there.  Embrace being a Canadian, but don't forget where you came from. 

There are alot of cultural differences that just aren't acceptable here.   Just because women are lower creatures where you're from, doesn't mean they are in Canada and they don't deserve to be treated that way.  It's not okay to hit your wife here....other cultures, yes.  I don't want to live in a neighborhood where some FOB dude doesn't think it's acceptable for me to walk to the store at night and either A) Follows me, or B) Yells inappropriate comments at me, which happens and can be intimidating when he thinks it's his right to do that.  I can't live in a neighborhood like that and when one area has a high population of immigrants, I'm going to avoid that neck of the woods. 

A good friend of mine ( a lifelong northeaster) lives in Taradale and they are going to be moving out of the quadrant soon because of the high amount of break-ins on her street.  Houses are getting hit multiple times by a person with the same description.  Man, that makes me want to raise my kids there. 

As well, it's very easy to call a caucasian racist, but really, the most racist people I've met aren't caucasion at all.  I don't think anyone on here is being racist, I just think that sometimes accusing people of being prejudiced is the easy way out. 

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Interesting Badgrl that you assume Calgaryman32 is caucasian - I don't know that and I don't think you do either. 

My comment was that his comment was a racist remark - I haven't changed my thoughts on that.  I also said his outlook is probably racist, based on his remarks - and I still think that.

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Trailmix, you're quite defensive , if I wanted to address you, I would have.  I meant "In general", it's easy to scream racism.  AND I didn't assume anything, not one time in there do I accuse HIM of being white. 

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You know I really do get annoyed with people like Trailmix constantly trotting out the same old leftwing sentimental claptrap when it comes to anyone wishing to stand-up for their own heritage.

I find it sad that political correctness has reached the point that it is almost unheard of to question our wisdom of promoting a multiracial society. Yet, if you ask the ordinary man or woman living in high ethnic areas such as the NE (regardless of race) whether they enjoy living in such a mixed society, a significant proportion would say no. Why then is there such an imbalance between what ordinary people feel and what they say publiclally? Perhaps it’s because we have become a nation of invertebrates, incapable of standing up for what we know deep down to be right. Or mayby it's just because they are afraid of people such as Trailmix calling them racist! ;)

This is Canada. If people want to relocate here then they should be prepared to adopt our culture just as we would have to adapt to theirs when living in places such as the Middle East.

As for the heavily ethnic areas of the NE, the simple fact is that unless they start to diversify, things are going to go from bad to worse and this will effect the entire NE not just the East Indian communities. This is nothing to do with crime. The SE has crime, the city core has lots of crime! The NE has racial non-integration.

 

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I'm defensive Badgrl?  I think not, however on the other hand, you might want to read your posts.

You do seem to be reading these posts, on the other hand you don't seem to be reading them well, or you aren't comprehending them, or, you are just truly not paying attention. 

In your last post, you try to back peddle, in fact saying that you weren't addressing me or assuming anything about Calgaryman - if you aren't referring to the conversation we are having - then why bother replying?

I think it's rather ridiculous that you all a slinging names at me, because I called Cutter's comment racist - here is the quote:

"Hmmm. Have we not already given up the larger part of the North East to the East Indians? And before any of you left wing loonies have a code blue, no I am not a raciest just a realest."

I don't think people should necessarily be politically correct for no good reason, and I'm not naive enough to think that people of all cultures will meld together seamlessly.

What I am saying is that when someone says "Have we not already given up the larger part of the North East to the East Indians?" that is a racist remark.

Are you all not familiar with how these kinds of hateful remarks instill hate towards a particular ethnic group - check some historical racist history and you will find it's just this type of talk and feeling that incited some of the worst racial bigotry and violence.

 

 

 

 




 

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Well, I am finished with this conversation, there is just so much wrong with it that it isn't worth commenting on anymore.

I will say this, until people are able to have a rational conversation then this kind of bickering between different cultures will just go on and on.

If you feel so strongly about your points of view, then you should be writing to your MP's to let them be known.

 

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Evening All.

I think this topic has gone a little off base. The original question posed by Jsusilo was “Is it ok to live in Calgary Eastside (of Deerfoot) area?” Now we are talking about such things as racial non-integration and Canadian involvement in Afghanistan. That’s OK, but perhaps subject changes like this should be viewed as new topics? If not, we run the very real risk of this forum devolving into a service little better than Usenet.

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Bakhshi you are free to talk about whatever you want. All I ask is that you keep loosely to the topic in hand. The problem as Trailmix pointed out, is that this thread was becoming ludicrous. 

If you want to talk about the war in Afghanistan Bakhshi be my guest. I am sure lots of our members would just love to discuss your particular take on this subject with you. All I ask is that you start this as a new topic.

As for blocking or censuring your comments, again providing you keep to the forum guidelines you are free to post whatever you wish. For the record, to date not one posting by any TALKCalgary member has been blocked or altered in anyway, including Bakhshi your own!

Just one last thing, before everyone points it out to me. Yes, I am aware of the irony of using this thread to reply to these off-topic comments!    

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Hi dmelec,

In answer to your question, in my opinion, yes.

As with every city in the world there are nicer areas.  Generally a really low priced area is low priced for a reason, the houses are smaller or there aren't as many amenities etc etc..  Since generally people living there are in a lower socio-economic group - some of the houses may not have as many upgrades (however every neighbourhood has exceptions).

A nice family area in the S.E. of the city with well priced housing is Erin Woods.  It doesn't have many stores, or much of anything, just nice houses, an Elementary School, pre-school and it's only 15 minutes to downtown.  Plus, since there isn't much in the actual neighbourhood, pretty much the only people here are people who live here.

Hope that helps!

P.S.  Feel free to bring your past with you, it makes you who you are and despite some of the comments here, most of us are a little bit more open minded.

 

 

 


 

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it is a lower priced area of the city even though it's in the S.W. (It makes it in the S.W by one district I believe

Which, again, shows your ignorance.

Erin Woods is in the S.E., always has been, always will be.

So you heard something bad about Erin Woods, oh my!

You say any area in the deep South is ok, which I assume would include the Southland area, where a man waiting for the train a few nights ago was randomly beaten on the LRT platform?

If you knew anything about Erin Woods you would know that the houses do have a lower price mark, not because of any huge defect in the area, but because the majority of the homes are starter homes.

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"(It makes it in the S.W by one district I believe)"
"Erin Woods borders Dover and Forest Lawn I believe"
omg.  No it doesn't border Forest Lawn and Dover and, as I mentioned before, it isn't in the S.W..  Seems to me that what you 'believe' and what is true seem to be pretty far apart.

As for my comment about your ignorance, I wasn't faulting you for speaking your mind, ignorance = lack of knowledge - which, in this case, you are proving regarding your lack of knowledge about the city.



 

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 What difference does it make if the people living in the N.E. are East Indian, or Chinese or from Britain?


Live in Surrey for 6 months, in fact make that Whalley. You will no doubt have a new slant in this cultures thing. IF you don't get robbed, or have your car stolen, or have at least one drive by shooting in your neighborhood, you still might decide that Calgary aint' so bad after all.

 

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China has 1.2 billion people. this has something to do with that.

Did you know that a fifth of the world's hammerhead cranes are in Dubai?

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As for my comment about your ignorance, I wasn't faulting you for speaking your mind, ignorance = lack of knowledge - which, in this case, you are proving regarding your lack of knowledge about the city.


I guess I was right about you trailmix. You like to antagonize people.

ATTENTION MEMBERS: Web Psycho Alert! Trailmix

Hey trailmix, are you a social worker, or a teacher?

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Are you all not familiar with how these kinds of hateful remarks instill hate towards a particular ethnic group - check some historical racist history and you will find it's just this type of talk and feeling that incited some of the worst racial bigotry and violence.


Okay trailmix:

You want to see a racist comment? Here is a racist comment:

In Surrey-Burnaby, East side Vancouver and New West, there is approx one million people. About 300,000 of them are East Indian/Pakistani

Over two thirds of the violent crime in these areas are commited by people in the the aforementioned group.  In other words, a third of the population is doing two thirds of the murders and robberies in this Area. In fact, in the whole Lower mainland area of 2 1/2 million, this same ethnic group is responsible for half the violent crime, and they make up not quite a fifth of the LMLand population

This does not mean these people are bad. It does mean that there are more bad ones within this group. NOW, is this racism, or is it merely an observation?

 You lack experience and common sense. You also like to enrage other members by making snotty remarks re: their ignorance, etc. You have no sense of humor. Finally, I bet you are well-known on this site.

 

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Afghanistan is ours. So why you there? You like the Americans. You think you are the police of the world.


Bakshi, you make a very valid point. Your question deserves an answer

 The reason the US went into Afghanistan was to take out the Taliban, and hopefully hunt down Osama Bin Laden. Try to remember that they killed 2792 people in New York City with those two planes. So if the US is the Police of the world, the Taliban is the criminal of the world. Fair enough?

Finally, I sincerely hope that you and your family will be able to enjoy a prosperous and peaceful life in Calgary. Be glad you are not in Surrey.

 

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Also, I consider it forcing your way of life (NOT you personally) on us when you won't wear a hard hat on a construction job. I also consider it wrong to insist that certain folks can carry a ceremonial dagger on their person, in the name of their religion.

I am not trying to take a run at you, but this business of forcing one's values on others does run in two directions.

Finally, to your credit, I am 100 percent certain that you are not someone who makes a protest over a Christmas tree on a shopping Plaza.  nor do I believe you would make a case against a nativity scene. Nope, those protesters are mostly home-grown born-in-Canada-Canadians. Also known as 'politically correct' elitists

 

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