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 Posted: Sat Apr 29th, 2006 02:26 am
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If we had no zoos then only those rich enought to travel over the entire world could see and appreciate these animals. That would greatly reduce the political will to preserve them. Having said that it Warren and I think the Calgary Zoo have gone ape this time.

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 Posted: Sat Apr 29th, 2006 05:44 am
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I remember the distress of my children a few years ago after seeing dozens of discarded dead chicks littering various animal enclosures the day after Easter at the Calgary Zoo. We spoke to a zoo volunteer who explained to us that the chicks were brought in as part of some sick marketing project called Eggstravaganza, after which the order was given to slaughter them.

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 Posted: Sun May 7th, 2006 03:08 am
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Naaaaa,  as any chinese guy will tell ya, for a truly tasty dish ya can't beat domestic animalls. Give me a dog or a nice piece of pussy cat every time.

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 Posted: Mon May 15th, 2006 03:42 am
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How quickly people forget. For years our zoo was a dump after being on the city’s financial back burner for years. Now it is a one of the brightest flames of the city. Would all you who are so quick to criticize the zoo prefer that it be closed? Our zoo has had bad press over the years, but that in part is due to its poor PR, not its management.

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 Posted: Sun May 21st, 2006 05:38 am
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And who is responsible for PR at the zoo? Get a grip on reality Spud. The people running our zoo are doing little more than empire building. Bringing a whale to Calgary makes as much sense as paying for their directors to go off on safari each year.

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 Posted: Wed Oct 18th, 2006 01:48 am
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Following on from my recent post, it looks like I may have been wrong in my views about the Calgary Zoo.  

I would like to bring the following info posted in Zoochecks latest news letter to the attention of all who concerned over the Calgary Zoos determination to push ahead with its Arctic Shores exhibit.

On April 7, 2006, the Calgary Zoo officially announced its intention to pursue the acquisition of beluga whales and polar bears for their proposed Arctic Shores exhibit. The zoo hopes to break ground on the exhibit in 2007 with completion and opening set for sometime in 2010. Arctic Shores is part of the zoo's Project Discovery expansion project.

In 2004, after hearing rumours about the Calgary Zoo's plans, Zoocheck Canada and more than 50 other wildlife protection groups wrote to the Calgary Zoo expressing concern and asking them not to pursue the acquisition of whales. The groups said,

"It is not possible to recreate the ocean habitat of these highly complex, wide-ranging animals, nor provide them with an environment that satisfies all of their biological and behavioural needs. In the wild, these animals range over expansive areas of ocean and establish very complex, often lifelong, social bonds and groupings. We believe they are among the poorest candidates for captivity."

Since the zoo's official announcement in 2006, wildlife protection groups have mobilized a variety of public awareness initiatives, including billboards in downtown Calgary, bus shelter ads, lawn signs, brochures and public events. Opposition to the zoo plan is growing. A 2006 public opinion poll commissioned by Zoocheck found that the majority of Calgarians actually opposed the zoo's plans.

Media and Calgary citizens were surprised by the zoo's first public announcement about whales and polar bears. For almost a year the zoo steadfastly denied that any decisions had been made about what animals would be displayed, despite the fact that drawings of the Arctic Shores complex, including a beluga pool and a polar bear exhibit, were found on the website of the zoo's architectural firm. The drawing was pulled off the site shortly after it was exposed.

As well, Up North magazine reported that the Calgary Zoo had approached the Territory of Nunavut to acquire narwhal and musk ox from the wild, but were turned down by their Wildlife Management Board.

The Province of Alberta has already pledged $35 million to the zoo and the City of Calgary has apparently pledged $30 million. Despite this, both levels of government have the ability to direct that their funding go to specific zoo projects, such as improving the existing animal accommodation and care, and not to supporting the acquisition of highly problematic, wide-ranging species whose needs cannot be met in captivity. It may also be possible for funding to be redirected to other areas of need, such as education, social services or wildlife conservation initiatives.

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 Posted: Fri May 4th, 2007 04:29 am
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How can you go to heaven or hell if you have no soul? And another thing what about all those cool animals we grew up watching on TV such as Lassie, Benji and Cheeta? Is there no place for them in the after life? What about Bubbles the chimp? Will he have to spend eternity with Wacko Jacko?

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 Posted: Fri May 4th, 2007 11:11 pm
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So Cutter, are you saying then that animals have no soul at all?  I mean don't get me wrong I'm not criticizing you or anything; I just think you can't narrow that statement down to just animals.  How about humans?  Do we 'truly' have a soul??  I mean take abortion for example.... does that unborn child have a soul?  You can't be so general with your thoughts and accusations against animals and other people without doing your research first.  Perhaps what you were trying to suggest in your 'angst-filled' state, is that animals have no 'self awareness' and as such cannot go to(or care about going to) 'heaven' or 'hell'???  But even that statement provokes an entirely new topic of possible controversy and perhaps a new thread for you cutter?!?(that should keep you busy and out of people’s hair!)  So is this all just a religious thing for you then?!  See as an agnostic I may not be able to truly relate to you feelings here, please do elaborate…

 

Cutter you have the floor…:P

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 Posted: Fri May 4th, 2007 11:24 pm
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Nice post Meemo, with one exception. I never said animals have no soul. I think that honor goes to the Jehovah’s

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 Posted: Wed Dec 19th, 2007 12:19 am
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Not that I want to bring up old topics, but I don’t know if this made the news here or not, knowing our media it was probably not.

Anyway, I just returned from Denver where the Denver Post carried an interesting article about the death of a hippo shipped to the Calgary zoo from Denver. In the article Dr. Doug Whiteside, of the Calgary Zoo, implied that the hippo in question had died as a result of being transported to the Calgary Zoo. Apparently on arrival at the Calgary Zoo officials feared the hippo had been lying in one position in a crate for too long and this had lead to the death of the hippo.

According to Dr. Whiteside of the Calgary Zoo being created up caused a condition known as pressure myopathy, In the article Whiteside goes on to say that, the muscles of the hippo had been damaged because the small blood vessels could no longer flow properly due to the weight of the animal lying on its legs. 

"This starves the muscles of needed oxygen, and there is buildup of the metabolic byproducts that are toxic to the muscle cells," Whiteside said

The question I would like to ask is how much longer are the Calgary Zoo going to be permitted to continue to treat animals in this way. I’m not just talking about this case, but the lions and tigers we see freezing in the winter, the elephants crowded into small artificial enclosures and not let’s forget the plans to bring a host of mammals in to Calgary as part of the “Arctic Shores” fiasco.


Enough is enough. Perhaps its time to consider rethinking the kind of wildlife (if any) the Calgary Zoo are permitted to keep. Certainly it’s no longer acceptable to simply accept the apologies of the Calgary Zoo every time animals wind up dead at the zoo as a direct result of human intervention.

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 Posted: Fri Dec 21st, 2007 02:40 pm
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Puck wrote: Not that I want to bring up old topics, but I don’t know if this made the news here or not, knowing our media it was probably not.


Well apparently you don't know "our media" very well - this was reported back at the end of October.

Must have been a slow news day in Denver to be reporting a story that is almost 2 months old.

 

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 Posted: Fri Dec 21st, 2007 05:50 pm
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Not only that, but it was the zoo in Denver who were responsible for shipping the hippo in the first place.  

Anyway, when did you get back?

Last edited on Fri Dec 21st, 2007 05:51 pm by Cutter

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